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What Is Art; A Personal Definition

Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:40 PM EDT
arts, books, tv, movies, art, philosophy, fine-art, plays, story-telling, programmerdude
By Chris from MN

I don't know what Art is, but I know what I like.

I don't know what I like, but I know what Art is.

Music is Love in search of a Word.

Sculpture is what you bump into when you back up to look at a painting.

Jackson Pollock #4

Andy Warhol Campbell's Soup I

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The question, "What is Art," is about as old as Artists and Art. The moment someone made a cave painting, someone else has to have said, "But is it Art?" Whatever it is, Art is surely a form of communication in that it has both creator and receiver. Ultimately, both must decide how to measure the "Artness" of something. Here's what I've decided.

One question at a time

There are three questions one might ask about Art:

  1. "Is it Art?"
  2. "Is it Good Art?"
  3. "Do I like it?"

This essay is strictly about the first question. Critical review (whether a piece of Art is good) and taste (whether you like it) are separate matters.

Why Art is hard to define

Art, like Love, is such a fundamental concept that it's easier to describe than define. One can easily point to examples of great Art or Love: the Mona Lisa; Burns & Allen. But definitions require concepts more basic than the thing defined. Just as buildings are defined by bricks, steel and glass; concepts are defined by basic "building block" concepts.

But what is more basic than Art or Love? The many forms of Art, from paintings to movies, show its enormous range and scope. As with Love, the fundamental nature is demonstrated in the variety of ways we express it. Any definition we pick must be equally large in scope.

Finding a definition is complicated by the creator/reviewer duality of Art. An Artist creates Art (that's an easy definition). But Art is created for someone else to perceive. Any definition we pick must consider both creator and reviewer.

One note: It's hard to find a good word that covers readers, viewers and listeners of Art. The word, "receiver", is accurate, but sounds too mechanical. The word, "viewer", covers a lot, but misses listeners and isn't a great fit for readers. Ultimately, "reviewer" seems general enough, and unused enough, to borrow. It retains the suggestion of viewer while opening the scope to other modes.

How I define Art (and Artists)

"Art is the interpretation and expression of the Artist's reality."

Art interprets some aspect of the Artist's reality. The reality may be completely imaginary, partly imaginary or based fully on reality. A novel might have imaginary aliens on an imaginary planet. A photograph of a sunset can be an artistic vision of a real thing. (In many ways, the interpretation is the heart of Art; it is the primary quality criteria.)

Art is the expression of the Artist's interpretation. The expression can take many forms: music, paint, sculpture, cinema, dance, literature. But there is always some mechanism of expression to Art. That expression is the bridge between Artist and Reviewer; it is how the Artist speaks to you.

Artists, true Artists, are those who are driven to express their interpretation of reality. Artists are people who have a need to create Art.

Test Drive

Okay, so there's a definition with some degree of objectivity. Let's take it out for a test drive and see how it performs.

It certainly seems to do well with anything most people would agree is Art. Great paintings, novels and movies all seem to qualify. The best place for a test is the fringe cases.

Is paint thrown a distance onto a canvas Art? How about a painting of a Campbell's soup can? Is a "sculpture" consisting mostly of a urinal with an ironic title Art?

I think the answer lies, to a great extent, in the intent and expression of the Artist. Randomly applied paint can be intentionally selected for its color. And while the application of each color may be random, the overall expression may not be. (Consider Jackson Pollock's work, for example.) Repeatedly applying random splashes may result in something the Artist intends.

Andy Warhol's famous soup can paintings had a specific message; they were intentional statements. The Artist had a perception of his reality, which he expressed using his full command of his tools. Definitely, the soups were Art.

Weird sculptures also can be an interpretive expression of an Artist's reality. A difficult trick here can be determining whether the statement is genuine or banal. The oddness of the medium can distract from the content.

Next Questions

A classic question: to what extent is knowledge of the Artist important? A related question is: what about Art that requires inside knowledge to appreciate? These are questions for another time.

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Chris from MN

So how do you define Art? Have you met Art? Do you know Bob?

Is the first image, the fractal, art? It's just a part of the Mandelbrot; a visualization of a simple mathematical formula. It's really in the same class of things as a plot of a circle.

Is there Art in selecting the location on the Mandelbrot, framing the plot and choosing the color palette?

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Reply#1 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
jlp coos

I used to know an "artist" named Art who claimed to be totally colorblind although he could mix paints perfectly to copy famous paintings. He was a fraud.

"Art is the interpretation and expression of the Artist's reality."

Someone saw the beauty in the Mandelbrot and expressed their interpretation of significance, which is akin to reality. Someone chose colors. I think the red with black, white, and shades of gray are just perfect here. Would process blue, cadmium orange, and white have given a different significance?

You gave great examples, Chris. Great article.

As an artist my whole life, I find your definition right on target. My own interpretation and mode of expression of my reality has changed since infancy in a continuum to the present, and will change some more before I waft off this planet. There was a time when all my art in any medium was realistic, disturbingly realistic, and that was when I was going through some horrific things and needed to clearly see what was going on around me--thus realism. I went through a phase where composition of a picture was more important than color, theme, style, medium--and that was when I was trying to fit in with groups--juxtaposition was important. During another bout of difficulty and with limited space, time and funds, I again returned to realism but used only colored pencils. I found that the precision of sharp pencil drawing could help me see better what was before me and coloring it could let me choose how I wanted it to be--make it fit my idea of ideal. Nowadays, I draw cartoons--tidbits of whimsy and silliness to amuse myself and others--because I am mostly happy these days. I cannot speak for other artists, because this is my reality.

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#1.1 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 3:37 AM EDT
Chris from MN

Thank you for your comment! When a life long artist gives a thumbs up, that's high praise indeed!!

It hadn't occurred to me until your comment, but much art does come from pain and struggle, doesn't it. Some great art comes from deep depths. (Morrison or Van Gogh is probably the canonical reference here. :-)

And there's the Blues; an entire musical genre based on personal pain. (One might say that about a lot of Country music, too. :-)

Interesting you say "needed to clearly see what was going on around me" and "help me see better what was before me." So your art helped you to process your own life. It allowed you to have what I think EnSoi would call an intersubjective experience between your life-in-process and how you saw that life.

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#1.2 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 5:03 AM EDT
Waynester

I read an article once in sciam that analyzed Jackson Pollocks later works mathemathically and found that they were in fact, fractals (before they were even known or identified), in that they are very similiar at various scales, something that wouldn't happen if it were truly random. As Pollock himself said (and I'm paraphrasing from the movie) "This isn't accidental, I deny the accident."

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#1.3 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 8:49 AM EDT
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Angel_C

Whew. I like your definition of art. The other conversations here make my head hurt, but I can see where they are going. I make art because it takes me to a place that I can't get to any other way. It's like a call and I'm on the search for the caller. I make art to discover things about myself and my particular emotional state at that point in time. When I talk about art with others, I ask them not to wonder whether they like it or not, but what they feel when they look at it.

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Reply#3 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
jlp coos

Angel_C: that's the essence of art. As one artist to another, WE understand that drive that makes us create from our souls (we were born with it and will die with it). Any other "art" is merely decoration made by skillful crafters.

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#3.1 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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Chris from MN

Thanks for dropping by, Angel_C!

It's like a call and I'm on the search for the caller.

Yep, there's that drive. That's exactly what I was getting at with:

Artists, true Artists, are those who are driven to express their interpretation of reality. Artists are people who have a need to create Art.

I really do think that's one of the defining characteristics. Every artist I've known has it.

This article Chris wrote seems to be about the reviewer of art.

It's a tool or yardstick both creator and reviewer can use to define the act of creating art (and by extension some of what it means to be an artist). Importantly, this does not touch at all on the subjective (or intersubjective) experience of the reviewer.

You're absolutely right about two different animals, and I'm not qualified to take on the latter beast except in the most glancing way. :-)

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#3.3 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 6:35 PM EDT
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Chris from MN

@EnSoi from your #2.2:

...that's the point of art for me (and also a big problem); we can only take what we see and subjectively process the information which then evokes and emotion. The problem is that we can't articulate those emotions other than using abstract terms like "good" or "ugly" or "beautiful" which does not accurately represent the emotions that art creates.

The bridge between artist and reviewer, for me, is not what the artist intends because in the end the intention isn't as important as the subjective "stuff" art does (high art works on so many levels and that's what makes it great). As a reviwer, my job is to observe a piece of art and craft some sort of reasoning behind it, but it's my reasoning, my taste judgments, my interpretation and the artist simply supplies the means to evoke emotion.

It's not what the essay's about, but there's no reason we can't open the topic. I don't know if we have much to talk about, because I agree with what you said.

Once you've identified a work as intentional art (as opposed to a pretty sunset), you experience it subjectively (as you do all things). My questions are:

What responsibility, if any, do you have to comprehend the work rather than just apprehend it?

If art is communication, are you in any way bound to try to understand the artist (or at least the art)?

If not, is there really a difference between a sunset and a work of intentional art?

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Reply#4 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
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Chris from MN

I want to point out a third "what is art" definition; a definition of scope.

In this case, the scope of "art" naturally includes the unvoiced "fine arts" of painting, sculpture, symphony and dance. However, it also includes voiced arts such as books, plays and movies. It includes any form of expression of an artist's interpretation of their reality.

The larger focus may, or may not, change your opinion with regard to knowing the intent of the artist.

In summary, the new three "what is art" questions are:

  1. What is the difference between making art and making a sandwich? (addressed by the essay)
  2. What is Artfull? (i.e. what do I perceive as art?)
  3. What's included in the discussion?

Feel free to go after any of them! (Per the comments, the second one seems to be the interesting one! :-)

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Reply#6 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
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What I perceive as art is simply this: Something that embeds a place permanently as a vision in my mind and heart...Something I will always remember and be able to reflect on.
Many times I have had to leave that "special piece" in the gallery, the show or at the arts festival... but it went home with me anyhow. An image Forever ingrained in my very being. That is how I classify
anything artful ! Art touches us at any given moment, time or place allowing us to identify , infuse and bond a little of ourselves with the piece.

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Reply#8 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
Chris from MN

Yes, art transforms us!

Do you consider there's any difference between a beautiful sunset and the piece in the gallery?

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#8.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
Kimberly-430040

Yes I believe there is a difference, although both impressive... one is fleeting, varies tremendously and changes continuously during it's short lived premiere. The other more permanent, in a sense and once specifically created does not change for the most part in the way it is first perceived. But ....both in my opinion are true works of art.

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#8.2 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 4:31 AM EDT
Greyshore

Kimberly,

I like the words you chose to describe art. I agree that it is something we take with us, leaving a lasting impression. It somehow changes the perception of other things to follow.

Chris, I was reading this last week and for some reason I thought about my comments but never posted them. It must have something to do with the transition I'm in.

I really like the layered thought on this subject. My Modern Art prof back in the day asked these questions of what is art or not. I first want to express that I feel some pieces are clearly art, and with further insight to the time, period and intent gives certain pieces more impact. Sometimes profound differences. Think about Duchamp's "Fountain". That was a slap in the face art piece set against the higher arts.
I particularly like Brancuzzi sculpture. Is it a sculpture of a bird or bird trying to be a sculpture? Digging into the meaning of the piece raises questions that otherwise would not be looked at.

My personal art has taking me from cartoons, life drawing, abstracts in paint and sculpture, to photography, landscapes and interior design to digital illustration and typography. I believe it is in the mind of the artist and the message of the emotions in their period of life that possesses the true nature of the message itself.
Life without art would be a mistake!

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#8.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
Kimberly-430040

Greyshore,
I concur with your post and thank you.
I love your last line...Life without art would be a mistake !

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#8.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:07 PM EDT
Chris from MN

Chris, I was reading this last week and for some reason I thought about my comments but never posted them.

Well, you're here now, that's what matters. Welcome!

I, too, love your last line, "Life without art would be a mistake!"

I wonder if life without art is even possible for humans. Reading what you and other working artists say about your own drives and perceptions (stronger, better defined versions of my own), I feel that art is as human as our thoughts and our emotions.

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#8.5 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
Greyshore

True indeed and thanks for this article. Life without art was my old screen name back when I was empty with creativity. In was in that time that I soon realized that life was easier when I created, and to not allow the "juices to flow" was causing spiritual unhealthyness. That brief period is where I let the crazymakers get the better of me. The proverbial "creative block". Upon clearing the wreckage through the use of morning pages, inspired by a very talented writer, Julia Cameron, The Artist's Way.

I feel that art is as human as our thoughts and our emotions.

This statement has a very profound truth Chris, on the giving and receiving end as you expressed, but even further into a state of being. I acknowledged my existence as a creative (probably because my math skills severely lacking) and never looked back. There are many avenues that art takes on in life, whether it is in word, song, architecture, paint or stone, but the truth existence that art is forever.

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#8.6 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
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Kimberly-430040

Yes Chris, many of us were destined to create ! : )

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Reply#9 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
Chris from MN

Which then begs the question, "Why?" Why do some of us have this need to express our interpretation of reality?

Could it be a common human trait that some people never tap? Or is it more like a talent; some folks got it, some folks don't. (I can do that curl thing with the tongue; some folks can't.)

Given the value of creating art for the artist, and given the spiritual uplift of perceiving art by the reviewer, could art actually be an evolutionary characteristic, part of our evolved mind?

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#9.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
Greyshore

Destiny and evolved minds? Love it! I wondered why I was the introvert growing up with the ability to draw and paint. I used to associate creativity with anti-social behavior.

Why do some of us have this need to express our interpretation of reality?

Very powerful question!

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#9.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:25 PM EDT
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jlp coos

I think I was born with a box of those fat crayons in my pudgy little baby hand.

Judging by ancient artifacts of both 2D and 3D form, some people's drive and skill have been around for tens of thousands of years. Some of the cave drawings are magnificent. When you consider that the artist was 2 to 3 miles inside the cave and likely had to draw these beasts from memory, the art is all the more amazing.

There must be some genetic factors at least in regard to ability to see subtle differences in color, shape, and process 2D to 3D and back again in one's head, as well as good eye-hand coordination. There also has to be some more potent understanding of connectedness--metaphor and significance--which may have something to do with how some brain parts develop. Yet oddly, some artists (VanGogh, Pollack, others) have had severe difficulty with interpersonal and emotional connectedness.

I know there is familiar tendency which probably involves both nature and nurture. My cousin married into a family who has many members who are commercial or fine artists. Her own daughter was one of those children (like me) who didn't just color in books, but drew her own pictures to color from a very very young age. That daughter attended art college and earned a degree in interior design. My cousin's husband uses his "art genes" when he builds houses. He has exquisite good taste combined with his own creativity and learned skill and the houses he builds are gorgeous. If you have that tendency, you'll likely find an outlet for it--drawing, sculpture, sewing, building, quilting, weaving, cake decoration, furniture making, interior design, window dressing, etc.--because you must. If it is in you, you cannot ignore it.

This is fascinating, isn't it?
Great thread!

    Reply#10 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:35 PM EDT
    Greyshore

    There is a very good book, 7 Kinds of Smart, which addresses different types of intelligence, one of which most artists possess is the Spatial Intelligence which allows for seeing in different planes and spaces, rotated views and perspective. My wife has the emotional intelligence which I stumble over. That is like the nature and nurture. I only hope for my sons sake that in a few weeks when I am playing mr.mom that I can remember the emotional part and be nurturing.

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    #10.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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    Kimberly-430040

    Which then begs the question, "Why?" Why do some of us have this need to express our interpretation of reality?
    The need, I believe is because some of us run on overload, perhaps over stimulated, Hmmm... this question is really deep.

    Could it be a common human trait that some people never tap? Or is it more like a talent; some folks got it, some folks don't. (I can do that curl thing with the tongue; some folks can't.)

    There is much to be said for untapped human potential. I think a few of my favorite quotes sum the question up nicely.

    "You become what you affirm. Positively affirm your greatness, genius and fullest potential" !
    Mark Victor Hanson

    "With a brain in your head and feet in your shoes, you can steer any direction YOU choose."
    Dr. Seuss

    Given the value of creating art for the artist, and given the spiritual uplift of perceiving art by the reviewer, could art actually be an evolutionary characteristic, part of our evolved mind?

    Nope. I don't think so... both value and spiritual uplifting are personal learned characteristics something that only you or I can appreciate through our life experiences. Only we can choose if we will be uplifted
    spiritually or if something holds value for us personally I don't think these choices come from an evolutionary process.

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    Reply#11 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 10:19 PM EDT
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